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5/02/2020 3:33 pm  #161


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Kansas City Mice- Mickey Mouse was created in KC in 1928.
Los Angeles Tide- Inspired by the vast number of beach tourists in the LA area.
Louisville Lumberjacks- Good alliteration and idk it just felt right.
Miami Luces- Spanish for lights.
Milwaukee Hogs- The Harley Davidson headquarters are in Milwaukee.
Minnesota Myth- Ever heard of Paul Bunyan?

(Edited to please fellow Minnesotans with the geographical name. Shout-out to JHA)

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5/02/2020 9:33 pm  #162


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LA Action is good.  I also thought of LA Defiance.  LA always does things their own way.

 

5/03/2020 8:50 am  #163


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I'll close the voting for Group A tonight and launch the Group B polls.  Stay tuned.


 
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5/03/2020 9:26 am  #164


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LA Blasters (music theme)
LA Lowriders, colors teal and metallic gold

 

5/03/2020 10:40 am  #165


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Just a thought on geographic identifiers and team names. I know that in some states, (PA, NC) there are distinct regions of the state with distinct culture. As QCS has expounded, Charlotte is quite different from the coastal areas and thus a North Carolina Pirates name would not be quite appropriate for a team there. Again, if there were teams in both Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, a Pennsylvania Miners team from Philadelphia would not make much sense because of the rich history in Philly and a name that spans an entire diverse state.

Often, the farther west you go (before hitting the West Coast), though, the more sense a state as a geographic identifier makes. Arizona and Colorado have embraced their state's teams mostly because there are not any other major cities or competing markets in the state. Since 1990, Phoenix teams have shifted to using Arizona and the new teams in Denver have used Colorado.

Early on the trend was Minnesota. After the Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles due to low attendance (speculated to be because Saint Paulites would refuse to support a Minneapolis team), Calvin Griffith, the owner of the Washington Senators, was ready to move his team to Minneapolis-St. Paul. He had learned the lesson that the Lakers had given and wanted to name the team the Twin Cities Twins. The AL said no, so the Minnesota Twins were born. The TC mark was used on the caps instead of an M because he did not want the good folks of St. Paul to think that this was Minneapolis's team. In 1987, the Twins were Minnesota's team enough to use the M on the caps. The Twins were able to unite the cities and the state. From that point onward, teams were given the Minnesota identifier more to show that this was not the endeavor of one city, but one state.

Minnesota has three distinct regions. The northeast has thick coniferous forests and a higher percentage of Scandinavian descent. The deciduous forests run in a band from the bluffs of the southeast to the Canadian border in the northeast. The prairie occupies the southwest and the border with the Dakotas and are home to many of German heritage. Though there are many cultural ties across the state, such as hotdish and ice fishing, the differing geographies lead to team nicknames from one part of the state specifically. The NFL's Vikings (the North, mostly), the MLB's Twins (the Twin Cities), the NBA and WNBA's Timberwolves and Lynx (North), the NHL's Wild (North), the AltHL's Loons (North, see a pattern?), and the U of Minnesota's Golden Gophers (South) all have names that do not themselves unite the state. What unites the state is the sports and the geographic identifiers. Fans from the rolling prairies by Marshall will still don the horned helmets or howl at the Target Center. Miners from the Mesabi Range in the north will still don the Gophers' maroon or plant a "This is Twins Territory" flag in their yard.

Things might be different if there were another metropolis in another part of the state (Missouri) or if there were some that were out of state but close (Chicago fans in Gary, IN). But Minnesota will likely continue to be used. Because a Minnesota United (MLS) is a Minnesota strong.

At the very least, that's how I, a country boy from the southern plains, see it.

And yes, Section30, if I get a chance, I will take the Minnesota team. No hard feelings.


 

5/03/2020 12:19 pm  #166


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Looking back through the names, I think the entries for this round far surpassed the number of acceptable options to choose from so I’ll just hold mine to the LA entry.

One that I feel might be underrated is the KC Scarecrows that O’Mac had. That would be such a cool identity all around! One of my coaches played for the Topeka Scarecrows when they were in the USHL and that was a unique look for sure.

Also, for my LA suggestion I think I’ll go with just Tar Cats. I think Los Angeles Brea Cats, which would be the official name of the LA Brea Cats idea, wouldn’t sound right when actually used.

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5/03/2020 1:50 pm  #167


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JamHeronArk wrote:

Just a thought on geographic identifiers and team names. I know that in some states, (PA, NC) there are distinct regions of the state with distinct culture. As QCS has expounded, Charlotte is quite different from the coastal areas and thus a North Carolina Pirates name would not be quite appropriate for a team there. Again, if there were teams in both Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, a Pennsylvania Miners team from Philadelphia would not make much sense because of the rich history in Philly and a name that spans an entire diverse state.

Often, the farther west you go (before hitting the West Coast), though, the more sense a state as a geographic identifier makes. Arizona and Colorado have embraced their state's teams mostly because there are not any other major cities or competing markets in the state. Since 1990, Phoenix teams have shifted to using Arizona and the new teams in Denver have used Colorado.

Early on the trend was Minnesota. After the Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles due to low attendance (speculated to be because Saint Paulites would refuse to support a Minneapolis team), Calvin Griffith, the owner of the Washington Senators, was ready to move his team to Minneapolis-St. Paul. He had learned the lesson that the Lakers had given and wanted to name the team the Twin Cities Twins. The AL said no, so the Minnesota Twins were born. The TC mark was used on the caps instead of an M because he did not want the good folks of St. Paul to think that this was Minneapolis's team. In 1987, the Twins were Minnesota's team enough to use the M on the caps. The Twins were able to unite the cities and the state. From that point onward, teams were given the Minnesota identifier more to show that this was not the endeavor of one city, but one state.

Minnesota has three distinct regions. The northeast has thick coniferous forests and a higher percentage of Scandinavian descent. The deciduous forests run in a band from the bluffs of the southeast to the Canadian border in the northeast. The prairie occupies the southwest and the border with the Dakotas and are home to many of German heritage. Though there are many cultural ties across the state, such as hotdish and ice fishing, the differing geographies lead to team nicknames from one part of the state specifically. The NFL's Vikings (the North, mostly), the MLB's Twins (the Twin Cities), the NBA and WNBA's Timberwolves and Lynx (North), the NHL's Wild (North), the AltHL's Loons (North, see a pattern?), and the U of Minnesota's Golden Gophers (South) all have names that do not themselves unite the state. What unites the state is the sports and the geographic identifiers. Fans from the rolling prairies by Marshall will still don the horned helmets or howl at the Target Center. Miners from the Mesabi Range in the north will still don the Gophers' maroon or plant a "This is Twins Territory" flag in their yard.

Things might be different if there were another metropolis in another part of the state (Missouri) or if there were some that were out of state but close (Chicago fans in Gary, IN). But Minnesota will likely continue to be used. Because a Minnesota United (MLS) is a Minnesota strong.

At the very least, that's how I, a country boy from the southern plains, see it.

And yes, Section30, if I get a chance, I will take the Minnesota team. No hard feelings.

Excellent write-up. I never realized Minnesota had those three regions (then again, the only time I've ever visited was a quick layover in the airport while flying to Dallas [great airport, by the way]) so this is good to know. North Carolina also has three different regions, with very different cultures and honestly not a whole lot in common. The mountains region, the western part of the state, is the part of the state where the Appalachians cut through. This part has more in common with eastern Tennessee than the rest of the state given how different geographically it is. This is where most of the moonshine and such occurred, and the largest city is Asheville, which is pretty small. The Piedmont region pretty much stretches from Hickory to Raleigh, and includes the biggest cities. The cities are closer to Virginia while the rural areas are pretty Southern. Even then, Charlotte is very white-collar and very much a culturally developing city and Raleigh is a college town built on the Research Triangle. The Coastal region is from Raleigh east, and that's where all the piracy and stuff occurred. 

Looking at some sports nicknames, it's not quite as clear-cut as Minnesota's, however. The Panthers are actually something that applies to the whole state, since Carolina panthers actually did once roam the entire region. However, the Hornets are something very distinctly Charlotte and that's helped to endear them to the populace (and why we wanted the name back from New Orleans). Mecklenburg County specifically is the "Hornet's Nest" that the British referred to, not Raleigh, not Greensboro, not Wilmington, but Charlotte (although it was Charlottetown back then). The Hurricanes, on the other hand, are something Coastal, closer to Raleigh. Hurricanes rarely strike Charlotte (some exceptions do happen, like Hugo in 1989) and the city is commonly used as a temporary shelter for coastal citizens in both North and South Carolina because of how inland it is. That said, using the "Carolina" name makes less sense for the Canes because it's not a common experience throughout both states and Raleigh isn't exactly close to South Carolina, making the appeal of drawing those fans kinda pointless. 

I think overall doing research in good faith is important when trying to figure out team names. These teams end up representing the city, so they want to do a good job representing the city and its culture. For example, LA has plenty of transplant teams that kept their old name, which is appropriate for a city built on transplants (even if that's not entirely true anymore) while Seattle's teams all tap into different parts of the city (Seahawks, Native American culture, Mariners, Pacific Ocean and fishing, SuperSonics, aviation industry, and whatever the NHL team goes with will be unique and culturally important to the city) because that's what sports teams do nowadays. It's rare that a team moves without changing the name (with the exception of the Cal NFL teams, they all had history as LA "team name" and the Raiders brand is strong enough without Oakland) - SuperSonics -> Thunder, Whalers -> Hurricanes, Thrashers -> Jets, Oilers -> Titans, even Hornets -> Pelicans (eventually). I'd love it if we could have citizens of these cities weigh in and give their thoughts on what's emphasized by the city and what doesn't make as much sense, even if to an outsider it seems appropriate.


 

5/03/2020 3:47 pm  #168


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It is time to move on.

This will be a big post.  We will name the six teams from Group A, start voting on Group B and begin the nominations for Group C.  Remember the names chosen were suggested by someone in our group and voted on by the majority.  It is even more impressive in the AltFL than it was in the AltHL because of the increase in votes.  With that said, let's keep the comments on the positive side seeing as we are a community now.


With 103 total points! The first team in AltHL or AltFL history do so are the Birmingham Vulcans.  The Vulcans named after the Roman god and not Spock's species.  The Vulcans was a name used by a minor league football team for one season back in the day but I ruled that it was acceptable.  This name was followed by the Birmingham Ironmen (91) and the Alabama Redtails (86).  A big win for the Vulcans.  The Vulcans were suggested by Darknes.


The Nightriders are a team that has come back from the AltHL graveyard.  The 'Riders were suggested by Steelman in both leagues.  The name came in second to the Rovers in the AltHL.  The Nightriders led the entire way and were able to hold off Dr. Pepper's 'Rebels' entry that made a late push.  


Please welcome the Buffalo Bolts.  The Bolts were the leader the entire way for the great city in Western Pennsylvania.  The Bolts of course referring to the city's flag.  Each bolt represents the city's innovation in terms of electricity deployment.  The Bolts was named by Dr. Pepper (as you'll notice a common theme).  It was a two horse race as the Bolts won with 96 points and were followed by the Wings with 93.  The next closest team was in the 70s.  

Once again controversy fell upon the Charlotte bid.  Luckily I think we arrived at an awesome name.  The Carolina Reapers are excited to join the AltFL in 2020. A clean and bold color palette is unavoidable.  There was debate about whether the team would represent the state, the city or the region.  The votes are in and the answer is...all three? The locator is in fact Carolina but it is named after the Carolina Reaper pepper (similar to the Carolina Panthers).  While the Reaper pepper was invented in South Carolina it was invented twenty minutes drive from Charlotte.  A bold bid and good compromise over that whole conversation.  The Reapers were nominated by sportsfan7. The runner up was Dr. Pepper's bid of Griffins.  The rest of the top tier included Monarchs and Marauders.  

Next up are the Chicago Cyclones. An aggressive take on the Windy City.  And yes everyone knows it is not about the wind in the city but rather the corrupt politicians.  With that said Cyclones ravage the midwest and make for an extremely intriguing nickname.  Cyclones was nominated multiple times for Chicago and was also included for KC (which has now been removed).  The next closest team to the Cyclones was Hogs which feel 12 points behind.  Chicago was named by DireBear.


Finally we have the Dallas Bandits.  I got so many Raider vibes from this name hence my boosting of the Raiders Hard Knocks/NFL Films intro.  The Bandits was named by Dr. Pepper.  Bandits (87) narrowly beat out Pegasus.  

A shoutout to all of those winners.  An even bigger shoutout to Dr. Pepper who walked away with 2 wins and 2 second place finishes.  That will set her up big time when it comes to the Owner Lottery.  Start thinking about logos for these six teams as that will come up soon.  

Next up Group B!

Team Minneapolis  https://forms.gle/SvwUe6fWLPkpjZsG7
Team Louisville  https://forms.gle/NS93DEdHSTeoMuCp7
Team Milwaukee https://forms.gle/Nqo4pBcA4qzuq5Ze6
Team Miami https://forms.gle/QB2C8BMUhMvJhkTD8
Team Los Angeles https://forms.gle/Zp785AerndSVB1eEA
Team Kansas City https://forms.gle/hK3p5gn8NwkUSwby6

Time to Nominate Group C!

 


 
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5/03/2020 4:09 pm  #169


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Hate to say this, but I did not nominate Bolts, my idea was Buffalo Buffaloes, the Bolts were nominated by Burmy. Glad to see all my other suggestions did well! Congrats to all the names who won. Big fan of the Cyclones and Bolts name!
My vote for the next round is the following:
Nashville Stars: Named after the cities history of Country Music Stars.
New York Flames: Atop lady liberty stands high her torch, her flames.
Orlando Wizards: A twist on Disney World
Philadelphia Rattlesnakes: Inspired from the Gadsden Flag.
Phoenix Roadrunners: A common animal found in the area.
Portland Cascaders: While a "Cascader" isn't a thing yet, Portland is in the Cascadia Subregion and I thought this was a pretty unique name.

 

5/03/2020 4:17 pm  #170


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Not a big fan of the Reapers name. I'd rather have had Monarchs in this case, but whatever.

For Group C:
Nashville - Olympians. While it's close to "Titans", Nashville is known as "Athens of the South" and this name brings them even closer to that nickname.
New York - Emperors. Empire State, meet your rulers.
Orlando - Challengers. Named after the Space Shuttle, this name emphasizes Orlando's space-age style and honors those that sacrificed their lives in the name of scientific discovery.
Philadelphia - Pennsylvania Derricks. A Philadelphia team is going to represent the entire state, so it should emphasize Pennsylvania's history in oil. I was going to use Oilers but I think that wouldn't count as an NFL team.
Phoenix - Rays. References the rays of sun Phoenix and Arizona receive. 
Portland - Roses. Nice and easy, Portland is known for its Roses. 


 

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